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Skutley new guy
Joined: 25 Dec 2009 Posts: 21 Location: Fair Oaks
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: Under or over 350 fps |
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| I'm new to airsoft and have been looking at different guns to buy. I've got it narrowed down to a KWA KM4 (I'm pretty sure that is what I'll get) after doing some research online. But my concern is with the fps being over 350, are there a lot of CQB games that would require <350 fps? I don't want to be out of games just because my gun is too hot, unless the CQB games are infrequent enough. And if there is a lot of CQB games any suggestions on which guns I should look into. I plan on being at the game on the 24th so I can introduce myself to everyone. |
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Johny Site Admin

Joined: 03 Dec 2003 Posts: 4113 Location: Richvale
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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For Sacair games and most games in the Sac area the FPS limit is 400. _________________ I shoot Table Gypsies on sight!
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Skutley new guy
Joined: 25 Dec 2009 Posts: 21 Location: Fair Oaks
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| ok then I should be good with the KWA, thanks for the info. |
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NeoSpyd3r Post Whore

Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 741 Location: Slack Town, CA
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| some of the factory km4's shoot over 400 even... It is a simple spring swap to lower fps if needed |
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chd new guy
Joined: 21 Sep 2009 Posts: 28
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Johny, can we bump the fps to 450? yes no? yes... _________________
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TruKiller Post Whore

Joined: 07 Jun 2008 Posts: 815 Location: Lincoln, CA
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| chd wrote: |
| Johny, can we bump the fps to 450? yes no? yes... |
An AEG shooting 450? Yeah..how bout not. _________________ -TruKiller- |
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k_house54 Sacairsoft newbie

Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 156 Location: Sac
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Chd lets just go to 500 fps.....hahaha. That would leave a mark! Maybe 450 when we play on are own,but not on sacair. _________________ WATCH OUT!!!
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viper Site Admin

Joined: 16 Sep 2002 Posts: 4403 Location: sac of potatoes
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: |
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you guys want a big fps game? im sure you dont, i have guys that i play with, that tune rifles for 460 minimum. our engagement distance is near nothing i think we put a 5 ft cap min. on it
why do you want all that fps? 450 is a bit too much for most guns and require more than just putting a spring in a rifle.
if you are new, then play with it stock. you want a real challenge grab a rifle and have it DOWNgraded to about 300fps then play. shows how much of 400+ fps is retarded in a small environment when no one likes to move, or play 400+ FPS in a cqb environment =p (its kinda fun till you get hit, trust me you get hit, fast, and a ton of BBs)
its not about leaving a mark its about honor, that comment i cannot fathom the idea of how...ill leave it blank so no one will QQ....
let me know if you want to play with real players, but you better bring your A game, check you shit attitudes at the door - there is zero tolerance at these games - and hope that no will leave a mark, MUAHAHA.
what is the fascination with people wanting to upgrade to retarded amounts of FPS...its not about range, its not about its gonna leave a mark, its cause one reason, people no longer know how to play airsoft and have fun. and yes i have a aeg taht can shoot over 450, and i have a rifle that shoots more than 500....guess what fps i play with at most fields....355 LOL 7yr old system m100 spring w00t! (along with 6 year old internals that still amazingly work) _________________ 8017312 1
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Skutley new guy
Joined: 25 Dec 2009 Posts: 21 Location: Fair Oaks
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| well I may be a noob to airsoft but I have learned to play many games that require equipment, and airsoft is no different. People think that having a gun shoot 450fps is the fastest way to be better, never mind actually taking the time to learn to be skilled at airsoft. |
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Johny Site Admin

Joined: 03 Dec 2003 Posts: 4113 Location: Richvale
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| chd wrote: |
| Johny, can we bump the fps to 450? yes no? yes... |
Um no
If you need 450 to hang with guys that run 350-400, then you need to go back to the basics.
I run AKs with stock TM boxes sometimes and I can run circles around fools with upgraded guns. _________________ I shoot Table Gypsies on sight!
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viper Site Admin

Joined: 16 Sep 2002 Posts: 4403 Location: sac of potatoes
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| Skutley wrote: |
| well I may be a noob to airsoft but I have learned to play many games that require equipment, and airsoft is no different. People think that having a gun shoot 450fps is the fastest way to be better, never mind actually taking the time to learn to be skilled at airsoft. |
im not attacking you personally bro, if i were you and you seem cool, get a gun that shoots 350-400 thats the normal fps that all sacairsoft play
id like 365 on the nose, as i have found that the best fps with the short guns i like to play with, and best flight path when tuned correctly.
oh airsoft imo isnt a skill set, its a character thing (im sure you are smart enough to get that part)
if getting a gun and upgradeing/downgrading go for about 390FPS, thats prolly the best for all new player since thats what i have seen done to numerous peoples first guns =) (cept mine...430 w00t lol soon to find out 430 + stock parts = more money....stupid toys) _________________ 8017312 1
I.M.O BT4
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viper Site Admin

Joined: 16 Sep 2002 Posts: 4403 Location: sac of potatoes
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| Johny wrote: |
| chd wrote: |
| Johny, can we bump the fps to 450? yes no? yes... |
Um no
If you need 450 to hang with guys that run 350-400, then you need to go back to the basics.
I run AKs with stock TM boxes sometimes and I can run circles around fools with upgraded guns. |
lol stock ak...stock m4...marui...give those to a airsofter thats been playing for awhile, yes circles baby!
next box i build is going to be stock marui spring + some cool stuff and a 3 cell lipo WOOOOOO game over (prolly for the gun tho) _________________ 8017312 1
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xBlackDarkLights SacAirsoft Alumni

Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 1048 Location: Elk Grove
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:38 am Post subject: |
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I run a replica that fires at 300fps and uses a 7 inch inner. And I fared fine.
It is like cars. Doesn't matter if you have a fast car, if you don't know how to drive it, you'll do as well as the guy in his mom's minivan. _________________ Simple to learn, impossible to master.
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Skutley new guy
Joined: 25 Dec 2009 Posts: 21 Location: Fair Oaks
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| viper wrote: |
| Skutley wrote: |
| well I may be a noob to airsoft but I have learned to play many games that require equipment, and airsoft is no different. People think that having a gun shoot 450fps is the fastest way to be better, never mind actually taking the time to learn to be skilled at airsoft. |
im not attacking you personally bro, if i were you and you seem cool, get a gun that shoots 350-400 thats the normal fps that all sacairsoft play
id like 365 on the nose, as i have found that the best fps with the short guns i like to play with, and best flight path when tuned correctly.
oh airsoft imo isnt a skill set, its a character thing (im sure you are smart enough to get that part)
if getting a gun and upgradeing/downgrading go for about 390FPS, thats prolly the best for all new player since thats what i have seen done to numerous peoples first guns =) (cept mine...430 w00t lol soon to find out 430 + stock parts = more money....stupid toys) |
crap, forgot I was on a forum where people don't know me. let me explain myself a bit, Viper I never thought you were attacking me I was just responding to your comment about why people want guns that shoot faster (yes I should have just quoted you) and I agree with you what you were saying.
I ended up getting a KWA, (one that shoots under 400 so I didn't have to downgrade ) and look forward to playing with everyone and getting to learn a new game. |
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viper Site Admin

Joined: 16 Sep 2002 Posts: 4403 Location: sac of potatoes
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| viper wrote: |
| Skutley wrote: |
| well I may be a noob to airsoft but I have learned to play many games that require equipment, and airsoft is no different. People think that having a gun shoot 450fps is the fastest way to be better, never mind actually taking the time to learn to be skilled at airsoft. |
im not attacking you personally bro, if i were you and you seem cool, get a gun that shoots 350-400 thats the normal fps that all sacairsoft play
id like 365 on the nose, as i have found that the best fps with the short guns i like to play with, and best flight path when tuned correctly.
oh airsoft imo isnt a skill set, its a character thing (im sure you are smart enough to get that part)
if getting a gun and upgradeing/downgrading go for about 390FPS, thats prolly the best for all new player since thats what i have seen done to numerous peoples first guns =) (cept mine...430 w00t lol soon to find out 430 + stock parts = more money....stupid toys) |
crap, forgot I was on a forum where people don't know me. let me explain myself a bit, Viper I never thought you were attacking me I was just responding to your comment about why people want guns that shoot faster (yes I should have just quoted you) and I agree with you what you were saying.
I ended up getting a KWA, (one that shoots under 400 so I didn't have to downgrade ) and look forward to playing with everyone and getting to learn a new game. |
oh dude no worries, i just didnt want it to seem i was attacking you in general just attacking everyone all good tho no worries no need to say sorry, AND - grats on your new toy...now...dont shoot me or ill ban you (just a joke so i hope everyone will LOL - you will but others...no comment =p haha)
glad you like the KWA, also M4s or lemme do this the P.C way the AR15 is a great base to build (i mean spend a ton of money) a nice weps. system that will fit you.
hope to see ya out tehre soon! _________________ 8017312 1
I.M.O BT4
Strongest and Bravest
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Special_K noob

Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 63 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I run AKs with stock TM boxes sometimes and I can run circles around fools with upgraded guns. |
Johny, I can speak from experience that I have never see you (A). Run in circles, and (B). Run in circles around a fool.
Most sincerely,
Kyle
PS: I did see you jog one time. Not so impressive  _________________ ”The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
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viper Site Admin

Joined: 16 Sep 2002 Posts: 4403 Location: sac of potatoes
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Special_K wrote: |
| Johny wrote: |
I run AKs with stock TM boxes sometimes and I can run circles around fools with upgraded guns. |
Johny, I can speak from experience that I have never see you (A). Run in circles, and (B). Run in circles around a fool.
Most sincerely,
Kyle
PS: I did see you jog one time. Not so impressive  |
lol only time i seen him run circles is when you take the redbull hostage (yes he may be old but that fucker will catch you no one i mean NO ONE gets between johny and his bull.
but from what kyle said its true guys both A and B he fails.
HAHA heres my shot to the nuts for him:
must be all that wacked out camo he wears, no wonder right? his shit dont even match HA! (b*tch) _________________ 8017312 1
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Bordicon Site Admin

Joined: 14 Sep 2002 Posts: 1826
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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I have used toy guns that ran at 350 to 400 and really didn't impact how much fun I had. Just leave it within that range with .25 and your good.
dun get .2 get .25. More mass means more momentum but not more velocity. Heavier the bb the further it will travel up until the point of diminishing returns. There was a great article comparing different weights and .25 always out performed .2 unfortunately they did not test heavier bbs.
It would be pretty easy since finding the ideal weight would only take log(n) time instead of linear since the weight is monotomically increasing. _________________
Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the States, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet.
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Johny Site Admin

Joined: 03 Dec 2003 Posts: 4113 Location: Richvale
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Lol I hate you guys so very much......
So maybe i walk circles around fools, and that's because I forget were I am.
That's okay Kyle learned the hard way not to interupt a drunk johny's cartoon time. _________________ I shoot Table Gypsies on sight!
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Skutley new guy
Joined: 25 Dec 2009 Posts: 21 Location: Fair Oaks
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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I have used toy guns that ran at 350 to 400 and really didn't impact how much fun I had. Just leave it within that range with .25 and your good.
dun get .2 get .25. More mass means more momentum but not more velocity. Heavier the bb the further it will travel up until the point of diminishing returns. There was a great article comparing different weights and .25 always out performed .2 unfortunately they did not test heavier bbs.
It would be pretty easy since finding the ideal weight would only take log(n) time instead of linear since the weight is monotomically increasing. |
Well kinetic energy is 1/2*mass*velocity^2 and in the case of an airsoft gun is constant. So if you just want an estimate at your velocity you can do that from the above equation. But I'm sure most people would just find it easier to test the different weights with a chrono. |
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Special_K noob

Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 63 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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That's okay Kyle learned the hard way not to interrupt a drunk johny's cartoon time. |
I did and you committed a capitol offense of beer drinkers around the world by shooting my unfinished beer to only have it's contents unnecessarily wasted all over the room. Shame on you Johny, shame on you. _________________ ”The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
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Entropytouch noob

Joined: 10 Jan 2009 Posts: 93 Location: Sacramento/Elk Grove
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Not to be off topic but Special... I love you.
"To me it looked like mysterion to me"
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Special_K noob

Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 63 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Not to be off topic but Special... I love you.
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Join the club  _________________ ”The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
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| Entropytouch wrote: |
Not to be off topic but Special... I love you.
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I started that fucking club, I'm not accepting anymore applications. Sorry. _________________
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Johny Site Admin

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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Lol good times _________________ I shoot Table Gypsies on sight!
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